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Sierraa · Jan 20, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Turret Rangers were nerfed. Fire eles who stack two spells that cause the same burning condition are bad, and nobody needs duplicate stances.
Really... touch rangers ARE the only build that uses duplicate skills effectively. And even that is a gimmick abusing expertise.

[Teinai's Heat][Searing Heat] are both amazing in HA.

[Dodge][Zojun's Haste] are amazing for ranger runners.

[Stonesoul Strike][Holy Strike] are both used by goth spike which is yes a gimick but it is effective.

[Divine Healing][Heavens Delight] are great party heals.

[Sympathetic Visage][Ancestor's Visage] are great for some farming builds.

If you could elaborate a little more, I'm really curious as to why the touch ranger is the ONLY build that uses duplicate skills effectively.

Reverend Dr · Jan 20, 2009, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

[Teinai's Heat][Searing Heat] are both amazing in HA.

They are also part of what is wrong with HA

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[Dodge][Zojun's Haste] are amazing for ranger runners.

Ranger runners have more speed stances than any other class, the loss of one wouldn't hurt a thing

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[Stonesoul Strike][Holy Strike] are both used by goth spike which is yes a gimick but it is effective.

Goth spike is a reason to get rid of duplicate skills

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[Divine Healing][Heavens Delight] are great party heals.

But no monk primary runs both copies effectively

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[Sympathetic Visage][Ancestor's Visage] are great for some farming builds.

Lets save the duplicates for a farming build. There certainly isn't a massively absurd number of farming builds that work the same areas to fall back on.

Originally I was going to say remving them wouldn't be worth the developer time, but your post has conviced me otherwise.

Lourens · Jan 21, 2009, 08:08 AM // 08:08

[Bestial Fury][Tiger's Fury]
[Bestial Pounce][Savage Pounce]
[Point Blank Shot][Zojun's Shot]
[Penetrating Attack][Sundering Attack]
[Dodge][Zojun's Haste]

and the strange thing is those duplicates are faction only xD

thats 5 additional skills for ranger lol ?

Hyper.nl · Jan 21, 2009, 09:25 AM // 09:25

/notsigned

Most dupicated skills do have an use in certain builds, like the duplicated Elementalist skills or -god forbid- the touch ranger build.

Konig Des Todes · Jan 21, 2009, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Even though Linsey has stated that they will not change the functionality of duplicate skills, I really do hope the Live Team does, because as Sierra has *unintentionally* pointed out, all/most duplicate skills are either not good to have on the same build or are part of gimmick/farming builds which should be nerfed.

The only downside is for those who own Factions but not Prophecies. But that would be a good thing for Anet, as it would put a little more pressure into buying another campaign.

Nerf gimmick builds, farming builds, making non-gimmick build users/farmers happy and increasing the desire to own Prophecies *and Factions*. It's a win, win, win, win for Anet!

Sierraa · Jan 22, 2009, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

They are also part of what is wrong with HA

HA isn't going to be fixed anytime soon which still doesn't make them any less effective.

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Ranger runners have more speed stances than any other class, the loss of one wouldn't hurt a thing

Escape, and Natural stride are the only other 33% stances for ranger.

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Goth spike is a reason to get rid of duplicate skills

That to me is like saying, anything that's a gimmick needs to be removed. Also, you can use both those skills on a Mo/A with SoJ. That's how I originally got through the Norn tournament, and when I'm feeling brave I play it in regular pve. Does that still make it a gimmick?

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

But no monk primary runs both copies effectively

You're right, but most primary attribute skills can't be used efficiently on other professions either. Does that mean they should be removed/changed too?

The skills are effective for what they're meant to do in the build, regardless if it's a gimmick/farming or not, which originally why I posted again. I find it interesting that someone would even start to say that Touch ranger is THE ONLY build that uses duplicate skills effectively.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

...because as Sierra has *unintentionally* pointed out, all/most duplicate skills are either not good to have on the same build or are part of gimmick/farming builds which should be nerfed.

Actually most of the combos I posted are useful, and they're decent. I'd like to add too that they're not all in a gimmick/farming build either. Only two were, and one set doesn't even have to be a gimmick. :]

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Nerf gimmick builds, farming builds, making non-gimmick build users/farmers happy and increasing the desire to own Prophecies *and Factions*. It's a win, win, win, win for Anet!

The entire game will never be perfectly balanced at all times, there will always be someone who will find some way to make something into a farming or gimmick build. I'm a non-gimmick player and I'm content with whoever wants to gimmick because it's generally free fame/free win for me.

Also, I've found from the people I've talked to, that their desire to buy Prophecies *and* Factions was because they like the game. I liked Factions for the storyline, and later it became necessary for me to have Factions for pvp, because I needed to be uax.

Owik Gall · Jan 23, 2009, 08:11 AM // 08:11

This isn't important. (thumbs down)